Whaddayaknow, Joe?

by Lori Dwyer on November 10, 2010 · 28 comments

Whaddayaknow, Joe?

OK. First off, this is not a regular post from me. You’ll get a nice fresh one tomorrow, maybe. I generally hate those ‘blog wars’ posts where I know what I’m talking about, and some of you might now what I’m talking about, but ,ost people don’t have a freaking clue. I have never, ever written one before.

But.. well. Those of you who want the full background story can read both these posts by Sleepless Nights. For the short version, read this…

Blogger tweavesdrops on conversation between another blogger (her mum) and an online art gallery forum thingo. Blogger then screenshots Tweets and posts about it. Art forum thingo people get wind of this a month later- even after having this Twitter convo with the blogger the day after the original conversation- and gets very, very shirty. They threaten legal action. Things get nasty, people do lots of arguing.

I got in on the arguing. I normally refrain, but hey. I had PMS, and I was looking for something to sharpen my acrylic nails on. And these people, Joe and Cathy, commenting on Veronica’s blog, were really starting to bug me. Just the hysterical shrillness of it all.

Your issues, guys. I reiterate what I said- I’m concerned for the emotional well being of Cathy. I’m being quite serious there. Patronizing and condescending, but serious.

Anyway. Veronica has stuff going on in her life, and closed comments. Fair call. She likes to moderate them, as we all do. And the conversation was going nowhere. It was a circle- copyright, an accusation of missing Tweets, accusations of nepotism. Etcetera, etcetera.

So, I think it’s all over. Have a laugh, have a filthy dirty enjoyable cigarette. People are fun to poke, with or without a stick.

And then, today, I get an email from Joe. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Basically- I don’t want to reproduce his email here, lest he sue me and my poor little blog with less than 500 hundred readers. Joe lives in France, I think. A multi-national, cross-ocean lawsuit. Awesomeness. Just call me Reese Witherspoon and give me a little dog in a handbag.

Anyways. Joe basically said that Veronica is withholding the screenshots she took of the original Twitter conversation. I doubt she still has them. I know, if it were me, once I edit something,I delete it, to free up space.

Joe is accusing Veronica of editing these screenshots to show less of the conversation than what actually took place.

Joe also said that Veronica has been lieing to people about Joe and Cathy contacting her web hosting service.

Firstly, I have seen a copy of the email sent by ‘TAS Admin’ (admin@totalartsoul.com) to Veronica, stating they had contacted her hosting company accusing her of copyright infringements.

Believe that, or not. I don’t care. This is probably the time to disclose- Veronica is an online friend of mine. I read her blog, I think she reads mine. I am an administrator for a website she’s involved in, but I was asked to do this by the other owner of the website, not Veronica. We’ve communicated a few times through email, spoken once during a conference call. She is not a blogger who I’d consider a ‘close’ online friend. But she’s a mate of mine.

I’m not really so much doing this out of love for Veronica- although I do respect her, and I respect her honesty and integrity, and I don’t like to see that slandered.

I’m more doing this because Joe seems to think I’m an idiot.

Joe, you have severely underestimated my stubbornness, tenacity and the amount of time I have on my hands today.

Here are the screenshots you’re after. From @frogpondsrock side of the conversation. They are huge, everyone- click to see the larger size, sorry if they take forever to load. But I didn’t want to risk cutting them at all, and being accused of dishonesty.

Two of them, because all the Tweets wouldn’t fit on one. I also missed screenshotting this Tweet, which was tweeted late that day, then reTweeted by Veronica, and replied to by @totalartsoul.

Getting a screenshot of @totalartsoul’s tweets was a bit more difficult. They had actually blocked me on Twitter, so I couldn’t see their stream. After creating a new account (hello, Mrs Winterpepper, you tech savvy thing!), I spent two freaking hours scrolling down and down and down. Only to get to this on the 21st October.

Back to top. Damn you, Twitter.

@totalartsoul Tweet a lot, evidently. That’s cool. But there is only so much Twitter will remember. You can all check out what Google has to say about it here. All the Tweets Veronica mentioned are there, verbatim, and also the one Tweeted later that day, which Veronica didn’t screenshot- I’m assuming because it wasn’t part of the initial conversation, and pretty much irrelevant. Correct me if I’m wrong, but @totalartsoul wouldn’t have seen that from @frogpondsrock anyway. She was already blocked and banned.

As I am. Which, by the way, completely disregards this statemen
made earlier in the comments section of Veronica’s blog, where all of us were invited to come join Total Art Soul.

So, that’s it.

I think I’m proved my point. There are no missing Tweets.

Joe, you’re annoying.

Now- no legal action, please. Everything here is my own opinion. Stated facts are supported by links to the relevant facts. The screenshots above are of Tweets made by @totalartsoul. The jury is still out on whether Tweets are copyrightable, but probably not. I claim absolutely no rights to the above Tweets whatsoever, and are reproducing them under the request of Joe, if that is his real name, who may or may not be affiliated with TotalArtSoul. Again, these Tweets aren’t mine, I don’t want them, and, depending on who Joe is, I may or may not have permission to use them.

No jellybeans were harmed in the writing of this blog post.

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Lori @ RRSAHM November 11, 2010 at 8:01 pm

*sigh* Despite telling me he wouldn't contact me again, I have another email from Joe.

Again with the missing Tweets. No, actually this time he's saying there are *extra* Tweets.

Once again, Joe, show me the money. Please, show me the missing- or extra- Tweets. Please.

I say it again- Bring it on, Joe. That's not a threat, Joe, darling. I'm asking. Bring it on.

Oh, and, you are correct, I did mix up my P's there. I correct myself "If P1 came out looking so good in the original post, what's the problem?"


Lori @ RRSAHM November 11, 2010 at 7:44 pm

Just for anyone who happens to be playing along, it seems our last anon commenter scared Joe quite badly. He doesn't want his response to that comment shown, but for some reason chose to email to me instead. The email contained the usual drivel about how Veronica faked a blog post, he's getting personal attacks and threatening emails, blah blah blah.

No one's fault but your own, Joe. You play with fire, sometimes you get burnt.

He has promised me this is the last contact I'll have from him. Huzzah!!

Joe, I sincerely hope both you and Cathy do some self actualising, take a deep breath, and get a bit more zen. As I've said before, for an art site you really aren't very zen. It's sad.


Lori @ RRSAHM November 11, 2010 at 1:34 pm

Whoa!! That last anonymous person, Ijust deleted your comment, then reposted it without Joe's phone number.

Please, do not do that again.I appreciate you trying to help, and I'm guessing the number is publicly available if you found it, but I don't want it on my blog.

OK? OK. Thanks.


Anonymous November 11, 2010 at 1:33 pm

Why not call Joe? His phone number is ***Removed by blog owner**

(sorry Joe, don't complain, your phone number is out there for people to call)

If Joe does not think that all of this is correct, he should write it all out clearly, minus any personal attacks so we can all see what is going on about. Maybe then it would be clearer. Because right now: he just sounds like a raving lunatic.

But Joe, from a complete outsider on this one I have to say that the original post written by Veronica was pretty clear and she didn't appear to be taking sides at all (infact I would say she was kind of amused her mother had found herself in hot water). You have actually made yourself look incredibly lame, attacking what people have said with no accurate rebuttal (except a lot of ranting about it being incorrect).

C'mon Joe. What do you have?

Seems to me that you just want to protect Cathy, your partner. Fair enough, almost everyone would do that for their partner. It's time to take a step back though and realise this is all pretty petty. Especially since you decided to make it all very ugly and start attacking others.


Lori @ RRSAHM November 11, 2010 at 11:48 am

And Tenielle, it's a community art gallery forum thing of some type…. I think ;)


Lori @ RRSAHM November 11, 2010 at 11:46 am

Joe, the Tweets were P2- that'd be Kim- have said "Bugger" are visible both here and in Veronica's post. I don't see what that has to do with anything?

Secondly, I haven't provided any more information here than what is available to anyone, via a Google search.

Veronica reTweeted a Tweet, by her mum, mentioning TotalArtSoul. A public Tweet, that anyone could have seen. If that shows collusion, there is an awful lot of it going on on Twitter.

If P2 came off looking so good in the original post, what is the problem…?

Again, you keep mentioning these missing Tweets. Now you're even saying that Tweets that are there (Bugger) are missing.

And I say, again, show me the missing Tweets. If you can show me them, I will not only retract I will post a picture of myself in the bloody nude.

Bring it on, Joe.


Anonymous November 11, 2010 at 8:41 am

Bits of the twitter conversation are missing from the original blog post, or maybe I should say, creatively edited, so it has been seemingly 'faked' to discredit the other party, person 1. This is one of many major issues of what is going on here.

P1 doesn't think they are the 'be all and end all' of anything, they just said that active members on their site get publicity, and it was pointed out to P2 that P2 isn't an active member, so isn't promoted, which P2 doesn't seem to like, and on the actual tweets (not the over-edited ones), P2 finally realises this by saying "bugger".

A twitter conversation between person 2 and her daughter are linked above showing them seemingly already starting to 'gang up' on person 1, which was the lead up to the 'faked' blog, posted the next day.

They have vehemently denied this, but Lori has unfortunately outed them by mistake on this blog post, which is hilarious.

By the way, in the other blog in question, no mention is made that P2, who comes off looking much better than P1, is in fact the mother of the blog post writer. (of course)

Hence the fracas.



Lori @ RRSAHM November 11, 2010 at 8:40 am

Tenielle, totally correct. Bizarro.

Joe, I was blocked from your Twitter account. Not your site. I'm not sure if English is your first language, plase read the post again.

I also never said you were an idiot (in this post). (Even though you are). I said you seem think I am an idiot.

This can't be good for your blood pressure.


Tenielle November 11, 2010 at 4:56 am

Goodness gracious, I can't even make sense of what happened, yet people are getting this riled up about it? (Then again, pregnancy brain + lack of sleep tends to do that to me…)

Am I right in thinking that basically:
1. Person 1 (a company? Forum of some kind? Help me out here) tweeted something about not wanting to give free publicity to members if they unfollow.
2. Person 2 jokingly tweets that the people Person 1 was talking about won't see the first tweet because they've unfollowed.
3. P1 assumes they're the be-all and end-all of Twitter and blogging, and snarks that the unfollowers will soon get less traffic.
4. P2, still in a joking mood, points out that they don't get any blog (?) traffic from P1.
5. P1 cracks the poops and decides to block P2 because they took P2's comment to mean s/he wanted more publicity for nothing.

Did I get that right, or are people jumping up and down about something unrelated? o.O


Anonymous November 11, 2010 at 3:45 am

One other thing, thanks Lori, for proving one of our main points.

The tweet by Kim and the re-tweet by Veronica that you have shown in this blog, with very handy links (thanks also for that), saved me the work.

It definitely shows that there was collusion, and a vendetta against Cathy, and it is interesting to note that the blog was created on the day after, funny that.

As for credibility, it all seems to be falling apart, er, even more, but I am not talking about mine, if you didn't realise.


PS If any of you lot also want to prove me wrong, by digging an even bigger hole for yourselves, you are most welcome.


The Mummy Hat November 10, 2010 at 10:38 pm

*Flashbacks to high school*
Except there was no Twitter when I was in high school (THANK TWEET!)
Maybe some people need to sit in the naughty corner and calm down a little!
And if you are reading this Joe, you lost all credibility (or whatever you had left) when you posted anonymously. Man up and put your name on it or shhh up!
Her Highness has spoken…
That is all!


Tenille November 10, 2010 at 10:06 pm

This is all getting a bit silly. Legal action? Really? Can you honestly say that you've been wronged to that great an extent? How about letting it go and getting on with your life?

Comments from 'Anonymous' or left with invalid details aren't worth the pixels they're rendered with. Go back to trolling the forums and leave the grown-ups alone.


Barbara November 10, 2010 at 10:03 pm

I'm so glad you didn't harm any jelly beans writing this post. That would have been giving in to the bullies.

Well done you – nice post.


Lori @ RRSAHM November 10, 2010 at 9:27 pm


Anon Number One: Hi, Joe. You keep saying this. I've produced, as far as I can, proof on Veronica's behalf in the form of screenshots and Google links, to show there are no missing Tweets.

Either put up,or,please, shut up. The onus is on you to produce the 'evidence'.

Anon Number Two- If one blog post can 'ruin my reputation', I have far bigger problems, eh? I haven't lied. Everything there is fact, as I see it. And I don't 'constantly' write negative posts about anything except my husband and my mother in law, and possibly my poor, neglected children (getting in first with that one). Gesundheit.

Sue- Thanks for not being Anon. Had you had left a valid web address or email address, that may have helped. Another one who thinks I'm an idiot. I'm well aware of the content of the initial post. And yeah, maybe Veronica should have stated that FrogPondsRock is her mum, but it's considered common knowledge amongst her readers. I think maybe both Kim and Cathy were having a nasty moment on Twitter. It happens. We're human.

Honestly, I was going to leave all this alone, apart from having some fun in the comments section of the original post. But then Joe emailed *me*. So, I felt the need to respond. Publicly, because that's what I do.

I'm not quite sure what sycophantic means, but maybe you should see a doctor about it…?


Amy xxoo November 10, 2010 at 8:31 pm

Good gravy – i saw something about this on Wanderlusts blog too.

Why do some people have to take everything so damn seriously? Take a chill pill Joe….


Mrs Woog November 11, 2010 at 6:35 am

I can see my house from here!


Sue November 10, 2010 at 7:01 pm

If you all could put your cringe-worthy sycophantic behaviour to one side for a minute, maybe you would realise there is no smoke without. This is how it started:- Kim, Veronica's mother was being unpleasant on Twitter, then Veronica decides to write a blog about that making the other party look bad, why do that? And then blame the other party for bad behaviour, your logic is underwhelming.


Anonymous November 10, 2010 at 6:37 pm

But there are still tweets missing?!!!!!!

This can't be doing your blogging reputation much good. Tut tut, bad netiquette to constantly write negative blogs about people. Especially when they're full of lies.


Anonymous November 10, 2010 at 6:18 pm

The screenshots prove nothing, I'm afraid, Veronica's blog post was still faked in favour of her mother


x0xJ November 10, 2010 at 5:50 pm

Must be something in the water, i've heard of quite a few "adults" turning into babies this week :


Jayne November 10, 2010 at 5:17 pm

What a great post!
Good on you, Lori!


leechbabe.com November 10, 2010 at 4:45 pm

I'm very relieved that no jellybeans were harmed in creating this post. Hopefully this is the last desperate attempts before they stop harassing Veronica and everyone else.


Veronica November 10, 2010 at 4:38 pm

Excellent post and well done you for going back through all her tweets. I wasn't up to it, so used the google archive tool to make sure I didn't miss anything (which, I didn't).

The worrying thing is, I don't know who else he emailed to tell everyone what a liar I was, etc. Frustrating.

Also, the bad reviews of the twitter post on stumble. Man, those hurt because they were full of lies stated as fact.


Corinne – Daze of My Life November 10, 2010 at 4:37 pm

Wowsers, what a kerfuffle! They've damaged their own reputation far, far more than Veronica ever could have. What a total art soul. ;)


Veggie Mama November 10, 2010 at 4:31 pm

bahahaha! "Patronising and condescending, but serious". Perfect.


Joe November 11, 2010 at 3:30 am

Not as much as a fool as you look, there are still tweets missing from your screenshots Lori, so it doesn't make me look like an idiot at all.

The extra tweets on Veronicas blog at the end was from another tweet, no one seems to know where that came from, and was only put there to discredit Cathy, it certainly was nothing to do with the original conversation.

Also, I do not know which site you are banned from, can you explain it to me?

If anyone wants my email address, they can have it, one of your blogging friends has already emailed me, left a string of foul language, and also threatened me, hmm, interesting behaviour. She also claimed that she hasn't commented on all of this, but she has. Yet another lie.

And you claim that I am an idiot with no credibility? That is truly laughable.



Toni November 11, 2010 at 1:03 am

"Joe, you have severely underestimated my stubbornness, tenacity and the amount of time I have on my hands today."

hahahahaha Lori that REALLY made me laugh!

Joe — seriously — give it up. You're looking like a fool. I took not one scrap of notice of the original blog post that 'started' all this, because it didn't interest me. (Sorry, Veronica. No offence.) But you can bet I'm taking PLENTY of notice now. And what I see is ugly. You've damaged your credibility and for what? Pathetic.


Mrs Woog November 10, 2010 at 6:39 pm

I have had issues this week as well, Exhausting. Am taking the high road though. Do not read me if you do not like me. PLEASE. PS Anon Comments piss me off more than the kids treading in dog shit then running it through the house. xox


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